“Watching public defenders in New Hampshire and New Mexico, I knew that’s what I wanted to do.”

“New Mexico has forgotten some lessons of the 1980 Prison Riot.”

“There’s a disconnect between media attention and reality when it comes to effective approaches to crime.”

“Many don’t understand that incarceration actually jeopardizes public safety.”

“Every prison cell is a monument to failure of our system to address social problems.”

Recorded on April 12, 2022